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Cosmic Disclosure Season 2 - Episode 7: Remnants of Ancient Mars - Summary and Analysis | Corey Goode and David Wilcock

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Cosmic Disclosure Season 2 - Episode 7: Remnants of Ancient Mars - Summary and Analysis | Corey Goode and David Wilcock

According to Corey Goode, the early ventures of the German-led secret space program (SSP) encountered many astonishingly old artifacts and ruins as they explored the Solar System. The Ancient Builder race, as it is termed within the SSP, left artifacts and structures everywhere in our star system, including the Earth.

Goode also shares that the asteroid belt was originally a super-Earth-sized planet. Mars was originally an artificial satellite orbiting this larger planet, which some researchers called Tiamat. When the planet was destroyed it sent its moon, Mars, out towards its present-day orbit. 

The early German SSP settled on Mars and encountered many difficulties there. Their first bases were set up in the equatorial regions of the red planet, which are also the most electrically active. They also interacted with several insect-like beings that had settled in ancient lava tubes, ideal for establishing bases.

This was one of a fascinating episode for me because it discusses the ancient archeology of the solar system, suggesting that our neighborhood is teeming with intelligent life.

For Cosmic Disclosure summaries with David Wilcock and Corey Goode click [url= Analysis]here[/url]. To review the previous episode in this series, click here. Episodes 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 have yet to be analyzed, but a transcript of these episodes can be found here. 

If you do not already have a Gaiam TV subscription and want to support Corey, use this link here: For translations of Corey's updates go here.

Some of the content covered here can be found on Goode's websites: and his older blog 

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Show Description:
Corey Goode narrates the events of early German explorers as they settled upon the Martian surface. He explains that long ago, Mars was a very different world. Once readily suited for life, now only scant traces of strange lifeforms roam among the bizarre ruins which dot its surface. What they found further fueled the already enflamed rush for ancient technology. 
This interview with David Wilcock was originally webcast November 10, 2015. 
The summarized notes will be in black, with my commentary in [green bolded brackets]. Alterations to the transcript for ease of reading will be in [brackets]. The images with black letter boxing were captured from this episode on Gaiam TV.

DW = David Wilcock, CG = Corey Goode


  • DW - Hello and welcome to Cosmic Disclosure, I am your host David Wilcock, and in this episode we're going to be getting into the Germans traveling to Mars. However, in between episodes it occurred to me that we have some really important unanswered questions. One of these questions is, that we have artifacts on the Moon and there are also have artifacts on Mars. So we're going to get into the relationship between these ancient artifacts on the Moon and on Mars, since the Germans ultimately found them on both spheres. This will help us to build our way into understanding what the Germans actually did on Mars. So all of that will be covered in this one episode. Corey, I'm really excited to get into this, and welcome to the show.
  • CG - Thank you.
  • DW - Corey we were talking about the German development of the Moon in the previous episode, how do you feel that this was accomplished in light of the Ancient builder race. [According to [url= Analysis]previous episodes[/url], the Ancient builder race existed well before nearly all other groups began their activities in the solar system. They built a huge number of extremely advanced settlements, including the ancient stargate system found by the SSP. The Agarthans, which according to CG, live below the surface of the Earth, an old race of humans that believe the Ancient Builder race are the guardians of this section of the universe. Apparently these high beings of spiritual attainment assist lower races as they evolve. The construction of star gates and ancient sites seems to be part of this guardian effort].  

Related Cosmic Disclosure Episode 12: Portals: Cosmic Web - Summary and Analysis | Corey Goode and David Wilcock

  • DW - Were there Ancient Builder race ruins on the Moon, that [the Germans] were able to find when they were doing that research when they first got there?
  • CG - Yes, Ancient Builder race ruins [are] all over the solar system and beneath the surface of our planet [as well].
  • DW - What specific Ancient Builder race ruins did [the Germans] find on the Moon?
  • CG - I think some of the significant ones that you would be interested in, and a lot of others, are some of the ancient buildings that were obviously built for a race of very tall beings. Unless they were beings that liked a lot of headroom and really tall arches and doorways .
  • DW - When you say really tall, what are we talking in feet, like what was the estimated height of these people?
  • CG - Some of the stone seats and doorways, we're upwards of 60, 70 or 80 feet [in height].
  • DW - Beings 60, 70 or 80 feet tall?
  • CG - [Yes], tall.
  • DW - When you say stone seats, what would they look like? Would there be anything that we [have] on Earth that would be similar [in appearance]?
  • CG - [The people in the SSP that discovered this] called them thrones, but they were not. There were lines of seating along walls, that were facing outward. I guess the closest [thing] we would see [on Earth are] in an older castles, like a throne room, with thrones against a wall.
  • DW - Were these seats carved [with a] very utilitarian and basic [aesthetic], or did they have sort of ornate designs on them? What was the aesthetic of the seats?
  • CG - They at one time had writing or emblems on them, but someone for some reason had sandblasted or removed them. Same with any other area in these buildings or structures [found], any type of writing, characters or images were [all] erased [by someone long ago]. They say the victor always writes the history, well maybe another ET group moved in millennia later and decided: 'we want to write the history, we want to be known as the gods,' so they erased what was written [by the Ancient Builders].


  • DW - Did these thrones just appear etched into the side of a mountain, like we might see with Mt. Rushmore on Earth? Or were they inside rooms of some kind?
  • CG - They were inside rooms and it was very high tech, it was obviously manipulated matter. Technologically manipulated matter [was clearly used to construct the buildings].
  • DW - Describe for us, how would you find a room? Would you see a like dome and then you go into it, is it built into the side of a mountain, is it underground? Where do you actually see these rooms? How do you get into a room?
  • CG - They are mostly [buried] structures [at this point], with Moon dust and meteors that have hit [the surface] and left remnants. [These buildings have] been there a long time, but they would have to be dug out [of the built up sediment], [only] about 10% [of the structure] is above the surface [and] even that would have to be uncovered. The [complete structure] would have to be dug out. [One] would [have to] go in and excavate [the site to] check out the interior.
  • DW - Were these structures [found] on the Earth facing and dark sides of the Moon?
  • CG - [Yes], all over [the solar system].
  • DW - Is the building often square or is it more of a circular [layout]? What was the shape clue [the SSP detected] that [let them know] this was [an Ancient Builder] site and not just another irregularity on the Moon's surface?
  • CG - These building were found in all different shapes, conditions and materials, including the [aforementioned] transparent alloy aluminum material. Part of these buildings were made out of [this transparent material].
  • DW - So some of the walls you could actually see right through? Once you uncovered them from the lunar regolith? [The term regolith means; the layer of unconsolidated rocky material covering bedrock, usually layers of loose debris building up over time. Conversely, heated rock comes to the surface via volcanic activity forming crystalline layers as it cools. The Moon has a thick layer of debris built up on the surface, which can be called regolith.]
  • CG - Right.
  • DW - Wow. Now, Richard C Hoagland has talked extensively about what he believes to be glass domes that were on the Moon. And the idea that it could be pressured inside, and that you could have plants and trees in there.

  • DW - Did you encounter any evidence that there were, in fact, "glass domes?"
  • CG - There are all sorts of glass structures [found there] that were mainly destroyed [at some point in the past].
  • DW - Including domes?
  • CG - Including domes and towers, [yes].
  • DW - When you say destroyed, by whom?
  • CG - [The question] maybe, by what? [Possibly] by a cataclysm. A lot of stuff [was] left on the Moon as a reminder of a great war [for more on the exopolitical nature of the Moon see: Episode 3: Lunar Operations Command]. There is quite a bit of other material and items that [are] from much longer ago. The oceans of time we're talking about here are mindboggling. And the number of groups and races that have contributed to the trinkets and buildings that are on the surface [of the Moon] is just as mind-boggling.
  • DW - Let's talk about the parallels between whatever was found on the Moon and what was found on Mars, because the German scientists, let's say - because they are not all Nazi's, when they went to Mars, did they find similar structures as what we [found] on the Moon?
  • CG - Yes, the Ancient Builder race and other races that have come into our solar system [over] the ebb and flow of time, fought for control of the solar system. [They] controlled [it], lost [it], [then] controlled [it again], [or] came back millennia later. This [tapestry of history created by many different cultures and civilizations] has gone on for millennia. Their structures have been found all over the entire solar system. Our system is littered with ancient archeological sites.
  • DW - You mentioned before that there's a big portal that goes to other Galaxies, its right outside [of] our solar system.
  • CG - There's a portal system [that can be used to travel all throughout the universe] that is a part of the Cosmic Web, [as it is termed by the SSP]. Our solar system is in a very coveted area [because an access point to an intergalactic gate is close by]. And yes that portal system spreads out, not only to other galaxies but other solar systems within our own galaxy.
  • DW - So we're in a real high-rent district ?
  • CG - Yes.
  • DW - Would you say, then, that our solar system has a lot more colonization and history than most civilizations that would be in more of a 'country' area [of the galaxy], opposed to an urbanized area like [ours].
  • CG - I've been told that we're basically an oasis [star system] on a cosmic silk road.


  • DW - NASA came out recently and suggested that at one point Mars had a one and a half mile deep ocean that covered at least half its surface, like the northern hemisphere. This is NASA saying that. Why do you think they would say that?

  • CG - I think we're getting to a point in human consciousness where it's getting pretty ridiculous to try and hide what's in front of our face when we look at Mars. Plenty of people have taken satellite views of Earth and Mars, putting them side-by-side, and geologically proven they have the same type of activity on them.

  • DW - Did you encounter information [during your time in the SSP] that [said] Mars was more Earth-like at one time?
  • CG - Yes.
  • DW - You had mentioned before that the asteroid belt was a destroyed planet. Hoagland and others have done work suggesting that Mars was originally a moon of this planet.
  • CG - According to the smart glass pad, that was the intelligence, that Mars was at one time a satellite of a super-earth, that existed now where we have an asteroid belt. [According to CG, smart glass pads are iPad like devices that are supplied to SSP personnel containing a great deal of information. Much of what CG describes is sourced from these pads. Whether or not the data presented is 100% accurate is unclear.]
  • DW - Was Mars also a watery planet with oceans as well, at that time?
  • CG - It had oceans and a very thick atmosphere that was blown off in the same event that change its current orbit and created the asteroid belt; [the destruction of the super-Earth planet].


  • DW - When you look at the work of certain astronomers, such as Thomas Van Flandern, who has studied what he called the Exploded Planet Hypothesis or EPH, we see half of Mars is totally covered with craters. And the other half is really quite smooth.

  • DW - Do you think that [the one-sided destruction of the surface] was asteroids from the exploding planet hitting Mars? Did you encounter anything suggesting that is what happened?
  • CG - Yes, and we can go into this in quite a bit of detail. The surface of Mars, half of it has heavy shock quartz and deposits. [According to Wikipedia: "Shocked quartz is a form of quartz that has a microscopic structure that is different from normal quartz. Under intense pressure (but limited temperature), the crystalline structure of quartz will be deformed along planes inside the crystal. These planes, which show up as lines under a microscope, are called planar deformation features (PDFs), or shock lamellae. Shocked quartz was discovered after underground nuclear bomb testing, which caused the intense pressures required to form shocked quartz. Eugene Shoemaker showed that shocked quartz is also found inside craters created by meteor impact, such as the Barringer Crater and Chicxulub crater. The presence of shocked quartz proves that these craters were formed by an impact: a volcano would not generate the pressure required." If half of Mars is indeed covered by shock quartz it suggests that a huge cataclysm took place in the distant past, most likely due to a nearby object exploding and showering large chunks of debris onto the planet-facing side.]

  • CG - Half of Mars is positively charged and the other half is negatively charged, and because of what has happened to it [during] this event, it is now basically a giant capacitor.
  • DW - So [at some point in the distant past] we have this huge planet, that is a habitable world with oceans. And there's a moon around it, that became Mars [after this event], as we think of it, that was also habitable. Did you encounter any information suggesting that there were opposing civilizations on each of these spheres or was it all part of one greater civilization? 
  • CG - I saw nuts and bolts scientific information, this is where we start getting into the secret Earth government syndicate or Illuminati religious ideas about what [may have] happened. They've created all kinds of myths and ideas about how it happened and what happened, [which] they believe as fervently as any other person believes in their religion.


  • DW - Now you said a little earlier, that these buildings on the Moon, when we were talking about [the] thrones that were found [in] buildings of different types that were buried in the ground. You said that there was some kind of effort to wipe off the writing and insignia on them. Do we find similar [Ancient Builder race] structures like [this] on Mars?
  • CG - Yes, all over the solar system, and they've all been treated in the same manner, [with removed writing and insignia].
  • DW - Did these structures appear to have been built when Mars still had oceans, before it got this blast from the [super-Earth] exploding?
  • CW - I'm going off of memory here, and I don't want to get into speculation, but that seems right.
  • DW - How much architecture is on Mars? How much stuff is there to find that shows there was an advanced civilization there?
  • CG - Most of it is either underground or really [damaged]. The surface of Mars [appears to have] went through such a huge catastrophe. It looks like a shockwave went around and around the planet. The geology is all screwed up. It's just a big mess. [In other words, there are many indications that this planet was ravaged by a massive cataclysm].
  • DW - Let's talk, specifically now about Cydonia, which is the area Richard C. Hoagland talked about [known as] the Face [on Mars] and what appears to be a five-sided pyramids nearby.




Cydonia complex on Mars. TO the right the infamous Face on Mars.

  • CG - I saw the pyramids. I ...
  • DW - What do you mean you saw the pyramids?
  • CG - I saw five-sided pyramids, I saw pyramids...
  • DW - Well, we've all seen the pictures of that...
  • CG - [No, I mean] I've flown over and saw the pyramids that were partially buried with mud or sludge.

  • CG - Either I did not fly over the area where the face was, or [there is no face]. I did not see the face.
  • DW - [Were] you seeing parts of the pyramids that still look like a stone carved surface, or was it all covered by some degree of debris.
  • CG - Part of it is sticking up out of the debris, but I would say its quite a bit larger than most people think because it's covered in sludge.
  • DW - I'm remembering one insider, Daniel, tell me that he saw a picture of astronauts waving next to pyramids on Mars and that there was a very nice sharp line of the pyramid going up. So it appears that you're kind of confirming that their [are] certain pyramids where there's still some sharpness visible from the ground.
  • CG - Yeah, they were obviously pyramids.


  • DW - Ok, so the Germans went to the Moon, and you said they went to the asteroid belt and you said they also went to Mars. What is the [time] sequence? Did they do all this at the same time or how did they approach this?
  • CG - Well first they went to the Moon, and then they went to Mars. After failed attempts, they [finally] set up [a] base on the Moon. Then they went to Mars, then they set up another temporary base on Mars. Then they built out a larger base on Mars.
  • DW - Ok, let's just pause there for a second. [When the] Germans got to Mars, we haven't had NASA go [there] yet [at] this point in our history. What's the year that they got there, that you know of?
  • CG - This was all happening in the late 1930's and early 40's.
  • DW - Did they look specifically for archeology?
  • CG - I just know that they were looking for [sites for] bases to create outside of the Earth, as well as bases in areas of the Earth that were inhospitable or out of the reach of the regular civilization of Earth. [In Season 2 Episodes 1, 2, 3 and 4 ([url= Analysis]found here[/url]) CG reveals that the Germans settled in Antartica just before the end of World War II, and that they also were exploring the solar system for other places to set up bases, like what is being described here.]
  • DW - How did they have breathable air inside these craft? Was [this] part of the extraterrestrial technology that they were given so [they could travel to Mars in one trip]?
  • CG - Yeah, they had developed [it] in some of their super submarines, they already developed carbon scrubbers and closed-system oxygen-breathing systems. They [were already developing this technology] for some time. But it was after they had worked in development with these ET groups and developed advanced technology that not only gave them electrogravitic travel, but also gave them the ability to have artificial gravity and also have environmental controls that they felt comfortable leaving [Earth].
  • DW - Did they travel from Earth to Mars, or did they have some kind of a space station that they built somewhere in between like a depot?
  • CG - They traveled from the Earth to the Moon, from the Moon to Mars. Just like what [I described in the Mars Colony Special report episode] and what we plan to do.
  • DW - And [how long does it take for] that trip? Like if you travel from the Moon to Mars, how long would it take them, based on technology from the 1930's.
  • CG - It would have been a matter of hours, I don't know exactly how long.
  • DW - And you say 'back then' as in now it would be faster?
  • CG - Now it's a matter of minutes.
  • DW - Wow.
  • CG - Yeah.


  • DW - Let's say that [we] are looking from the surface of Mars now. Some researchers have said, and Hoagland is one of them, that the original Viking Lander photos seem to have had the red turned up in the image, and that the sky does not actually look red, but it's blue like the Earth.

  • CG - Yes they turn a red filter on, but you have to understand it's very dynamic on Mars. There are times when the sky is red because there's so much dust in the air. Especially if you're in [the] equatorial areas. The closer you get to the polar regions the less atmospheric sand you have, [less] debris you have. And you [can] see aurora borealis [there]. You [could see] a purplish pink sky depending on the time of day; sunset, sunrise. But during the day there is a kind of a purplish blue sky, [and] there [are] times, because of all the storms, [that the atmosphere] is full [of] red sand, [making the sky appear] red.
  • DW - Could we breathe the air anywhere on Mars?
  • CG - It's not advisable to breath the air anywhere on Mars. In the northern and southern regions, it's easier to breath, but it's more like being at the top of Mt. Everest, the oxygen is thin. The barometric pressure is very [low]. You [would] need a light duty or lightweight protective suit and a respirator that is releasing oxygen.
  • DW - Interesting. You said before, that the Moon is heavily inhabited with a variety of different races. Are there satellites orbiting Mars or space platforms with weapons systems that will shoot you down if you try to go to that planet? Did the Germans just fly right in, or did they encounter some resistance?
  • CG - I do not know if they encountered resistance. I believe at that point they had already formed an alliance. I believe that the group they formed an alliance with the "people" that you would have to worry about shooting you down. [In other words, their alliance partners allowed them to settle on Mars, which was being protected by these satellites.]
  • DW - Right.


  • CG - There are a couple small moons around Mars.

  • DW - Phobos and Deimos, yah.
  • CG - And there are current era satellites, like crazy, around Mars. [As in, there is a large number of artificial satellites orbiting Mars, not sent by NASA.]
  • DW - Really? Satellites built by modern humans you're saying?
  • CG - [Yes], modern humans that inhabit Mars.
  • DW - Really? People that were born on Earth, migrated to Mars and built those satellites, is that what you're saying?
  • CG - People that maybe the decedents of people that were born on Earth, but..
  • DW - And you said it is filled with satellites?
  • CG - Yes, there are plenty of satellites around Mars. And some of them [have] weapons' systems.
  • DW - Wow.
  • CG - And a lot of these are people that are descendants from some of the German groups, which established early colonies on Mars, and later on [expanded] after the Germans co-opted the military-industrial complex of the United States, these colonies grew across the planet. And a lot of these people that are there now are descendants [of these earlier German colonies]. [In Season 2 - Episode 4: Breakaway Begins CG reveals that the German group actually infiltrated and took over the American Cabal during the mid 20th century. After this merger, the SSP began building bases and infrastructure at an industrial pace, far surpassing the achievements of the earlier German program.]


  • DW - Well I want to get back to that, but you mentioned [Mars' moons] Phobos and Deimos. People who've studied this information online and have really gotten into Mars, [where] its kind of a commonly known thing that, I guess, the moons are too close the planet and they move too quickly in their orbits. I guess some people like Hoagland, who has also said it appears that they are hollow inside, based on their signatures.

  • DW - So what are we looking at with Phobos and Deimos? Are they just moons or is there something else going on?
  • CG - Phobos is a crushed sphere.
  • DW - Really? So it was originally a perfectly round sphere?
  • CG - It was at one time a sphere.
  • DW - Wow.
  • CG - And at one end, there's an opening.

  • DW -  They don't show us [this] from NASA [images]. They just make sure they photoshop it out or something?
  • CG - I haven't really looked at the NASA images, but I know that NASA photoshops and airbrushes images of Mars, the Moon and other planetoids at an unbelievable rate. So I would imagine there are a lot of other things about Phobos that they photoshop or make out of focus.
  • DW - Well one of the weird things about it - and I can see it perfectly in my mind - is that Phobos has these very extensive, parallel straight lines that are all in the same direction. And then there's others that are at 90 degree [angles].

Ridgelines on Phobos.

  • CG - Yeah, they're like ridges.
  • DW - What do you think that is?
  • CG - Just like on the Moon, our moon - this gets into a whole other topic. [But], our moon is an artificial structure. On top of [this super structure] is hundreds and hundreds of feet of regolith and smashed meteor matter, that [has] built up over many millennia. Phobos has its own gravitation field and it pulls debris on top [of this structure]. Underneath this debris is [the] super structure.
  • DW - Did the Germans show any initial interest in Phobos? If there's a hole in it that you could fly into, did they do that, when they first got there?
  • CG - I did not see any record of them [taking an interest in Phobos].
  • DW - What about Deimos? You mentioned Phobos is a collapsed sphere, which I guess implies that there's a lot of hollowness inside. Is Deimos also something other than a regular moon?
  • CG - I did not read anything about it being artificial. It's possible it might be a natural object that was captured in a cataclysm that happened a long time ago.


  • DW - First of all, is there liquid water [on Mars] running on the surface  in certain places?
  • CG - Mars has a very strange yearly cycle. At certain times, the water that is at the surface in the form of ice, liquefies, but not for long.

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  • CG - I never saw information about lakes or small oceans in the current era. I never flew over bodies of water, [during my missions on Mars].
  • DW - Did the Germans have plans to try and use local materials to make a sustainable base when they got there? Was that always their intention?
  • CG - Yes. Just as on the Moon, they planned to take a certain amount of resources to Mars, lime and all the different things they need to mix with local resources to make concrete and whatever they needed to build structures, that they could then pressurize and use as temporary shelters. They had to make quite a few trips to bring people and materials over. This was in the beginning when they were using star gate or portal travel. In this early era they were using the portals to transport materials, but not people or organics.
  • DW - Really? Did they have trouble with the organics [sustaining] damage, like to their life cycle?
  • CG - Yes, as in killing them in a very gruesome way. [Dewey B. Larson in his book, Beyond Space and Time, discusses how life as we know it is organized by a field in time-space. The body or physical material which makes up the biological vehicle of living things has a two-fold aspect or mechanic. The body exists in space-time, whereas the mind exists in time-space. It is this metaphysical aspect of mind that actually organizes the biological units of life; we could think of this as a mental body. So-called non-living things or inanimate objects do not have this mental body component, but higher orders of organic life do. As we discussed in Episode 12: Cosmic Web, portals can easily transport non-living things without issue, but the life that has a mental body, including microbes, plants, and animals, has a more difficult time. This is because the consciousness of the life form must be well organized in time-space, so as to rematerialize the body vehicle on the other end of the portal. Bilocation is the ability to transport one's body from location to the next directly as a result of this mental coherence or discipline mechanic. There are certain types of technology that can be used to compensate for a transportee's lack of mental coherence, which presumably the secret space program has already developed, per CG's account in Episode 14: Portals: Parallel Earth.] 
  • CG - Until they figured out the proper way to do it, with help from some of these allied extraterrestrial groups.
  • DW - So what's the year, that you know [of], where portals started to be used to transport materials?
  • CG - They've [known how to us portals to transport materials] since the 1930's and 40's.
  • DW - This is well before the Philadelphia experiment?
  • CG - And you saw how badly that went with people [being stuck in the bulkheads of the ship as it rematerialized]. It wasn't until the 1950's that they were able to start transporting people, consistently, without them suffering - I believe they called it temporal dementia. They would teleport intact from here to Mars, and they would look fine, but after a number of days, they would suffer dementia, [the program] called it temporal dementia. And the Germans did a lot of work in this field that helped us figure how to do this properly, along side their ET allies.
  • DW - It's such a mind-blowing thing to imagine there were artifacts already there, like pyramids, when the Germans got there. How much were they interested in trying to reoccupy what was there and how much were they just trying to build new stuff?
  • CG - In the beginning they were just trying to get a lay of the land. Just like we're doing, they were mapping out Mars, getting the lay of the land. They had quite a bit of data on the geography of Mars, that was in these smart glass pads. This was information that was presented on a smart glass pad that was very technical, but it came from typed sheets of paper, that I was seeing. They didn't have a really high tech way of showing the information [at the time].
  • DW - So they Germans originally didn't have these smart glass pads, as you said before, but the data that they came up with in their surveying, you saw as JPEGs, or whatever they are, of original typewriter documents.
  • CG - Right. And some older photos from 35mm [cameras], or whatever they used, photographs.


  • DW - Were there photographs of cool looking ruins from old civilizations that you saw?
  • CG - Yes, of ruins and aerial photographs of areas [like] the huge volcano...
  • DW - Olympos Mons?
  • CG - [Yes], Olympos Mons.

  • CG - There are lava tubes that are ten times the size of lave tubes we have here [on Earth]. They are perfect for sealing and creating an environment on the inside, [making] an easy ready made base.

  • CG - And that is a highly coveted area [for] creating bases. The Germans wanted it, later, the International Corporate Conglomerate (ICC) groups [wanted it], I guess [the ICC is what you could call] the modern space program groups, which wanted to utilize that area, but it was already occupied by another [civilization]. There was a lot of them and they defended it fiercely.
  • DW - Really? Do we know anything about what they look like or where they're from?
  • CG - There's a treaty between some of these groups. One of the groups are a reptilian type and the other is an insectoid type.
  • DW - That's kind of what I expected .
  • CG - [The lava tubes are] a very coveted area.
  • DW - So when you say ten times bigger than lava tubes on Earth, are we talking five miles wide, 20 miles wide, 50 miles wide [from] top to bottom?
  • CG - I mean, huge . They dwarf any of the tubes or caverns we have here [on Earth].
  • DW - Most of which we don't know about I guess you're saying...
  • CG - Right, yeah.
  • DW - Because they already have huge cities built in them [by other cultures such as the Agarthans].

Related Ancient Earth Break-Away-Civilization Subterranean Council Meeting & SSP Alliance Debrief Part I - "Honeycomb Earth"

  • CG - It has to do with the size of the volcano, the gravity [on the planet], the barometric pressure on Mars. This is why they are so huge.
  • DW - So could they be even 100 or 200 miles [high] from top to bottom?
  • CG - I don't know. I would be speculating. I didn't see any hard data on how many meters, yards or feet they were.
  • DW - But given that some of the cities here on Earth I guess can probably hold hundreds of thousands of people, you're saying that in these lava tubes you could have millions of people?
  • CG - [Yes], there are millions of beings living in these lava tubes.
  • DW - Wow, what are they doing?
  • CG - Just living out their life cycles there. They have their own civilization, their own way of life, their own societies. They're very territorial.
  • DW - Do they have pop stars? Is there like an insect Britney Spears? .
  • CG - I don't know that much about them. A lot of the people that have been assigned to do security details on the surface of Mars have interacted with them. I have not interacted with them.
  • DW - Did the Germans get resistance from them when they first arrived?
  • CG - They interacted with them quite a bit.
  • DW - They tried to fight to get some of these tubes?
  • CG - Yes. [The Germans] plan was to go in and take some of these tubes. And there were some battles fought. And it did not go well for them at all. They even had some of their early bases destroyed, losing whole bases [in the conflict].
  • DW - Like all the people were killed?


  • CG - Yeah. And they also chose [base sites] poorly - they built some of the bases towards the equator, and found out the dust storms that kick up often [there] are highly electrically charged. Static electricity builds up in all the sand that's blowing at [a] very high rate of speed.
  • DW - That makes sense.
  • CG - And the minerals underneath the planet - I think I mentioned before - one side of the planet, because of impacts [of the earlier cataclysm], caused crystallization of some of the rock.
  • DW - Right, you said shock quarts was formed.
  • CG - [This caused] one side to [form] an anode [with the other forming] the cathode; [due to electrical induction]. So the surface, especially around the equator, will build up an electrical charge in the ground.
  • DW - Well, that makes sense. It's the same principle where you take certain metals and you put them under pressure and electrify them, and this makes [the metal] magnetic. So this [is what happened] to the whole side of the planet?
  • CG - Well, the problem when you're building a base and you have all this static electricity [is that] lightning storms [form] in the sand storms - there's that much of an electric field being created - well it destroyed their electronics [at some of these earlier bases].

  • DW - So this is [the] equivalent to a [coronal mass ejecting that the sun puts out, called a] CME? It's like some kind of really powerful EMP pulse or something, [which would destroy the electronics of their technology]?
  • CG - Yes, and these occur often.
  • DW - So does that mean the equator region is just no good [for building bases]?
  • CG - It's not a good place to set up a colony. I'm sure they have overcome a lot of the shielding problems [so as] to create colonies there now. I know we can fly through those sand storms now and not have any electrical problems. But [back when the Germans were first going there] landing on Plymouth rock [so to speak] and forging new territory, they found out that this is not a good place to be, especially with the technology that they had there at the time. They were loosing all their technology [in these electrical storms]. They found out that closer to the polar regions, within 20 degrees of the north and south pole, [are] the best habitable regions. It also happened to be where a lot of other groups were setting up bases [too]. They had to find an area they could claim and set up a base. Everyone on Mars - just like people associate Mars with the [god of] War - all of the beings there are very territorial, which I guess you could say is war-like. But its part of their culture to be very territorial. Its like putting too many fish in a fish tank, . They had to stake out their ground and defend it. That took quite a bit of doing for them. They weren't able to be fully successful until much later into the later 1050's, when they were working with the U.S. military-industrial complex and they had all the resources of the U.S. behind them. Then they were really able to start building out and becoming more of a force on Mars, to push back some of these other groups, just like the Americans did with the Native Americans. They pushed back other groups and took over.
  • DW - Manifest Destiny. So during a typical Earth year, the Earth is tilted toward the Sun, and we're going to have seasons where it's going to get really cold or really hot, depending on where you are, and that changes. If you're building near a polar region, and you're in Mars winter, how is that survivable for human life? Given that Mars is farther away from the Sun, [and] would therefore be colder, based on what we know from NASA studies of Mars.
  • CG - It's much easier to deal with the cold [than extreme heat]. When you have cold, you have frozen water or ice. It's a lot easier to deal with the cold than it is to deal with living in a desert, to where, you have electrical storms all the time. Plus, the atmosphere is a little bit more hospitable in those regions, even though it's cold. I mean, breathing wise, there's more - even though there's a very [low] oxygen content, there's still more in the north and south pole [than the equator].
  • DW - So are you saying that these Germans bases were built in what we consider an arctic-looking region?
  • CG - Not in the arctic. Usually within, [what we would call] the 20th parallel.

Image depicting the 20th parallel of the north and south polar region. 


  • DW - Were there any critters on Mars that they could hunt and eat for food? Is there any life there?
  • CG - Yeah, there's life there. I haven't heard or read too much about them hunting. As rough as things got for the original Mars colony people, they did eat what they could find on the surface. I just don't recall reading anything about them having barbecues of Martian critters.
  • DW - What different types of critters did they find when they got there? Are they on the surface? Do they fly?
  • CG - Most of them are borrowing-type animal life, even this weird little bat-bird-like thing - they dig holes. When we were building this one outpost, we were seeing these little holes, and around dusk [these creatures] would fly out, and [with] each flap of the wing you [could] hear a kind of a 'cheep, cheep, cheep,' [sound] as they would fly out [of their holes]. What they ate, where they went; I don't know. [But] they would return and go back into their holes.
  • DW - What did they look like? What was their color?
  • CG - They were dark, like black, and they looked real rough, like leathery, almost like they had armor on them.
  • DW - I would think for anything to have evolved on such an inhospitable planet that it would all probably have this type of armoring and real ruggedness to it.
  • CG - It was just interesting to some of the scientists that something so small with wings could fly in [the Martian] atmosphere. They didn't think the atmosphere was dense enough for them to...
  • DW - Provide lift for the wings?
  • CG - Right.
  • DW - How small is small? What was the size?
  • CG - I mean, they were small. Like the size of some of the birds that you see flying around here.
  • DW - How similar did [this creature] look to a bat on Earth?
  • CG - The texture looked like a bat, the wings looked like [they were made out of] skin. But the head and the beak looked more bird-like.
  • DW - Well we could probably go through the taxonomy of a whole bunch of different critters.
  • CG - And I didn't see a whole lot [of life]. Personally, I only saw a couple of things. I saw plant life and those kinds of things myself. [And] I saw that was cataloged early by the Germans. They cataloged a lot of different life that popped up in the smart glass pads.
  • DW - Were there things that looked little like crabs or spiders?
  • CG - There were large spiders.
  • DW - How large?
  • CG - Very large, like half the size of a person.
  • DW - My insider Jacob described cooking and eating those [spiders]. And he said "it takes like crab." I don't know why you'd want to [eat one]. Were there things like worms that dig through the soil, or like millipede and centipede type life?
  • CG - Well, I saw a reported a large, almost like silk worm like looking worms that were borrowing and would also come out and lay in the sun at times, and then go back and borrow.
  • DW - The main life that I heard about from two other insiders who claimed to have been on Mars were theses worms, that were very large and would actually eat metal. And they would attach themselves to the side of some of these bases, and [the personnel would] have to go out with these harpoon-type guns and shoot them. But they weren't very fast-moving, so it didn't pose any threat to you It was a very boring job apparently.
  • CG - Yeah these looked like almost like larva, big, bloated worm things that would burrow underground.
  • DW - Were there any indigenous life forms that evolved on Mars and had actually always been there?
  • CG - There was one group that was very elusive that I never saw, but read about, that were human-like, that stayed in caves and always wore robes. And [they] were very elusive, staying away from everybody.
  • DW - Yeah, I heard about an indigenous population from some others as well. Do you know about their height or appearance?
  • CG - This sounds like something out of a movie, but supposedly [they] looked very much like us, but [they] are very reddish and they claim to be indigenous to Mars. Whether this is true or not, I don't really know. But there was very little in the glass pads about them. They were very elusive. And whenever the space program would come in and build a new colony that was too close to one of their [settlements], they would move their entire group.
  • DW - Really?
  • CG - Yeah, they would move completely away.
  • DW - They didn't take offensive action?
  • CG - No. From what I could tell, they were very non-Martian,   they were very peaceful. They wanted to stay completely away from all other life forms.
  • DW - Alright, so that is quite a fascinating body of information. We're going to be coming back next time with much more on Mars here on "Cosmic Disclosure," because you need to know. I'm your host, David Wilcock, and I think you for watching.

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