For this program, Richard is joined by Jay of the Youtube channel Project Unity. Jay recently did an important follow-up interview with New York Times journalists Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal, discussing their latest piece on UFOs. Richard and Jay talk about that and much more of relevance to the entire story of what's going on with UFOs and the media. That part of the interview doesn't begin until 34 minutes in, as they spend most of the first half hour talking about Jay's interest in CE5 initiatives, that is self-initiated "contact" with non-human/ET intelligences. Although popularized by Dr. Steven Greer, CE5 is being done by many people on their own. Jay has his own very interesting stories to tell in that regard.