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1 REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:09 pm


Guys, I had an accident a few months ago, and was written a ticket. The guy who hit me was texting, but the officer wouldnt listen to anything I had to say. I questioned him on his duty to the Constitution and that was the end of our conversation. POOF, ticket for me. Anywho, I "REFUSED FOR CAUSE, WITHOUT DISHONOR TIMELY, WITHOUT RECOURSE" UNDER DURESS the ticket and did not show up to court. The court closed the case, and I was told they suspended my license. I can open the case if I want, I was told. Yea right on that........ The guy then tried to sue me for his 1000 deductable. Well, the case was not allowed to go through because, well, there is no case. Thats right, they told him there is no such case. The suspension of my license was expected as its theirs. But they didnt even do that. The point is, dont be afraid of the system. Do your homework, and hold them accountable when the opportunity arises...But always remember, you are a sheep amoungst wolves in the court. And...this is not legal advise, just a personal story....

2 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:11 pm


Kudos 2 U Topspin-

muah I appreciate U sharing your Great victory story with us here

Did U put all that verbiage on the ticket he gave U at that time? wondering how it fit on those small tickets... ??

Appreciate Ur clarification ☀

3 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:31 am

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Thanks for sharing that topspin! Hope you get your license back soon!

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4 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:12 am


Thanks for the story, topspin. I'm not sure why both parties to an accident would have their license suspended? I would also like to know how you stated your "refuse for cause, etc." declaration.

5 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 10:25 am


I wrote the information across the ticket in red and mailed it certified to the town. I wrote under duress on the ticket above my signature after I refused to sign it..My options were jail or sign...Sign I Raven, when I didnt show in court, because the judges options are limited, he said he was going to suspend my license. Thats all he could do. The license is owned by the state. So by Refusing for cause, I noticed them that I am not a fictional person, that I am a real man and I am not under their jurisdiction. He agreed and closed the case. Just go away is his thoughts.

6 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:26 am


Hmmmm... this is very interesting. My sincerest congratulations on what was actually a very brave and defiant act on your part.

And I'm trying to run with this new paradigm ball here... a fender bender is one thing, most of us can cover that, but what happens in the case of a serious injury? Say you are hit by a drunk driver (or a texter) and seriously injured? Under this "I am an island" scenario, the mere act of getting into your car renders you liable for, AND susceptible to, total physical and economic disaster. Auto insurance, as it is envisioned, is supposed to remove the risk from risky behavior (such as driving a potential killing machine where humans are walking or riding their bicycles.) The act of driving a car is one of life's few instances where we are capable of doing huge damage to others just by going to the grocery store. Do you see what I'm leading to here?

7 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:44 pm


Yes, but the problem is not with the results, its with the system. Its a fraud. We are a fictional person as far as the system is concerned. We have been lied to since birth. In a case with more damage, Im sure the judge would not have been so quick to dismiss this. But what one must remember is that you need to be accountable. This guy was in the middle of texting or reading a text while driving. I was looking right at him. He was looking straight down. If you create a harm, you need to correct it. This guy was at fault...But because i questioned the officer, he made me the guilty one. So instead of taking months to remedy this, I just took the short route. I made a choice years ago to not agree or participate in this fraud, regardless of the consequences. I go to court on occasion and watch the proceedings. Its one of the most distasteful things I have ever seen. Its not about justice, its not about right or wrong, its about the money and control. I lost $500,000 in a lawsuit about 10 years ago. I told my attorney I did nothing wrong and was honest in all of my dealings. My attorney told me I was an idiot if I thought this was about right or wrong. Wake up call # whatever....Its nice to want to be honest but the system is so corrupt that honesty really has no purpose or place in our judicial system. Im not saying to lie, because I dont. But I do understand what Im up against. Just give me your money please....Raven, our entire system and world as we know it is a fraud....Love is real.......

Here is some information on the private prisons......$ and control......Cha ching........

8 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:52 pm


Part of the 14th amendment states, 'No state shall 'MAKE OR ENFORCE' any law that shall abridge the privileges, and or the immunities of ANY citizen of the united states of America,ie, seatbelt laws, auto insurance, any law that restricts our rights as citizens- All the laws that have been crammed down our throats are illegal, and this is slowly coming to light-Sooner or later, we WILL prevail-Here's to communist justice :mooning: :mooning:

9 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 1:05 pm


OK, I see your point clearly and I am sorry about your financial loss. I spent a lot of time in court as a litigation paralegal for about eight years so I get that part totally, it's not "justice" and was never intended to be. You'll note I don't do this as a career anymore, for a reason.

So let's try a scenario: say you are an indigenous tribe with no legal system other than perhaps a chief who is basically a benevolent dictator. Someone accidentally shoots a child with a bow and arrow. What recompenses the parents for their loss? What is done as a fair and equitable resolution for such an event? I have no idea really, but I would like to know if they have some system that all parties deem as "justice."

I totally agree with personal responsibility, but if we were being totally honest with ourselves, we would never get in a car because any one of us could at any time cause a horrible accident BY ACCIDENT and not our negligence. A deer runs in front of you, you swerve to avoid it and hit a cyclist flying down a hill on the other side. These things happen all the time (and it's not just modern society. Your horse could rear up and kick someone in the head.) The cyclist ends up paralyzed or perhaps in the hospital for months in rehab costing thousands of dollars and then what? Do you send them flowers and say I'm sorry? I don't know the answer to my question, but I do feel that honesty requires us to develop all new paradigms to replace what we are choosing to give up, which is one reason why I had a problem with the OPPT thing: there was nothing to replace what it dissolved.

I apologize if it seems that I am taking this farther than you intended. That's my overly critical thinking nature, you can either ignore me totally or help to develop the replacement of the system you feel needs to be taken down.

10 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 2:19 pm


We all progress at a rate suitable to our own personal ideals.I did some volunteer work with the Apaches at the San Carlos Reservation in Globe Az a few years ago. I worked with the Franciscans. I was amazed at the insight of the Apaches. They know something and are in the holding pattern. They do not chase money like most do. My friend Emorys name came up to have a "free" house built by the gov.(They are listed for a home to be built as money is available) He had a Peridot mine in Globe. He told them to take the next person and he would wait because he had money coming in and the next family had nowhere to live. He only mined enough to live month to month. He took no more from the earth than he needed. You see, the Native Americans live by a different code. One of honor......Our laws mean very little to them...You know Raven....things happen.....and there is a reason for them. My thought process is simple. Let me tell you something that happened to me...I was sailing in Monterey Bay in the eighties when my boat sank. A mile offshore with life expectancy about 45 mins. It was Feb. The water was cold. There was another guy on board. We did the best we could to keep the sail out of the water in hopes that someone would see it. It was dusk and we had to make a decision. What to do. Do we swim? The thought of dying never crossed my mind. I knew everything would be ok. Just then we hear, hey, you guys need a bit of help?. There it was, a San Juan class sailboat to our rescue. We boarded, they gave us a change of clothes, and took us to shore. After a night in the hospital, I went to return the clothes. I couldnt find the boat. I had the right slip but no boat. Come to find out, they left the following morning for San Fran, and were never seen again.. It was believed they were hit by a ship in the shipping channel....Do you see where Im going with this?

11 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 4:57 pm


I most certainly do see. You're talking about synchronicity, i.e. everything happens for a reason and that is a very important part of everything that happens in our lives, no doubt about it. But that is only part of what I am talking about; it doesn't address the one thing that laws are intended for: redress of grievances and solutions to disagreements. If we abandon all laws and take up personal responsibility, which is fine with me BTW! everyone has to be on the same page or we are creating more anarchy than we are dissolving.

I understand that most Native American tribes have a totally different world view, one I embrace myself very lovingly, I GET Indians. I also get that Europeans nearly destroyed their way of life and they have had to adjust to living as a conquered people. Not many Americans understand their wisdom, which is why we have gone so far afield. If everyone lived as they do, we would not be having this discussion at all. Life is a risk, every day. Some people don't want to live that way, they want to live risk-free and cheat death or harm. This is impossible and infantile actually, but they insist on trying anyway, which is why we have so many laws, and crap agencies like the CIA and DHS, because people cannot accept the fact that death is right around every corner no matter what corner of the world you happen to be standing on.

BTW, it was an Apache medicine woman who helped me with my vision quest where I was chosen by raven. I GET Indians, which is why I took a masters in American Indian archeology and worked in the field for many years, a long time ago (this was before I was a paralegal and sailor too!) So I get what you are saying on several levels. We have traveled afield of the OPPT subject but that is A-OK with me!

12 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:30 pm

Peak Crackers

i am half Míkmaq and french Ms ravine

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world".
Mahatma Gandhi.

13 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:34 pm


I'm half Indian, and French, Irish- :the face of hu

14 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:37 pm

Peak Crackers

really 56 ? funny my other side was Irish .. classic ..

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world".
Mahatma Gandhi.

15 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:46 pm


Yes, seriously- In northern Maine, is where I'm from originally- Been down in Fla. for 11 years-

16 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:20 am


Ravensmoon said: "... honesty requires us to develop all new paradigms to replace what we are choosing to give up, which is one reason why I had a problem with the OPPT thing: there was nothing to replace what it dissolved...."

I believe common law is the replacement of the dead corp[se] administrative legal "judicial court" system, per OPPT, with people making common law claims with right to trial by jury in compliance with Bill of Rights. EAch BEing reponsible with full liability for harming another or their property; quite a simple law system compared to what we've been saddled with. No harm- no foul- no attorneys. Man/woman to man/woman- no more dead corp[se] fictions.

17 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:00 pm


This is quite true, 7freemom. The No Harm, No Foul rule is simply elegant. Common law has been the basic premise for most non-complex societies but we don't have common law replacement yet. We could, we SHOULD! but it's not in place for 99% of the population. I hope that changes, I hope we change it. We are supposed to be envisioning and co-creating the New Earth. This is a step in the right direction but how many people actually even know there is such as a thing as common law, much less are willing to abide by it? It would have to be a majority understanding and agreement for it to be in place. That's where we are heading but first the old structure must be dismantled before common law can be put in the vacuum. OPPT only started the first step and then left the rest of it for us to do. This discussion is just a very nascent step in that process.

18 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 12:20 pm

Peak Crackers

I dont buy into what OPPT is pushing one bit

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world".
Mahatma Gandhi.

19 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 1:52 pm


Common law is available in our court buildings, but has been virtually unknown and un-accessible, as the people have not chosen and demanded to access same. We are now awakened and learning to do so with simple common law court of record Claims, where no attorney can be (except as a man/woman party), no corp[se] fictions either. Personal tort trespass/ harm being the charge, which must be timely answered by man/woman (no attorney(s) allowed); absent response default judgment is obtained by harmed party. If answered, trial by jury ensues, where jurors are the judges of both the law and facts of the case.

corporate COURTs are unfamiliar with people invoking common law court of record and seem to be resisting the people's efforts to do so, but we must lawfully, intelligently, peacefully take back the people's court to restore True Justice.

Basic premise: Stop Complaining and start Claiming. Learn who we are and step into our sovereign status as man/woman not subject to presumed jurisdiction of so-called COURTs, where business has been done by dead corp[se] fictional entities, now defunct by OPPT unrebuttable filings. ☀

20 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:04 pm

Peak Crackers

sorry dont buy it 7freemom .. I see where you going But i revoked my U S Cit back in 99 .. you can cash a matrix by not using it .. its really simple .. when you look at when you need and what you want .

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world".
Mahatma Gandhi.

21 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:29 pm


I'm siding with Peak on this one. I'm getting set to revoke my US citizenship as well, I have a few ducks to get into a row first and my ducks are not cooperating at the speed I would like. Ditto with voter registration, which I did long ago. Not many people are willing to do either of those things, damned few really. There is no 100th monkey in sight for what we are discussing here because most people are totally clueless about all of this.

Let me also point out that all those boogey banks, BIS, World Bank, IMF... all those entities foreclosed upon by OPPT are still up and running and functioning just as they always did. None of their employees have gone home. There will be small skirmishes won for sure, topspin for example, but the war hasn't even been declared yet.

I participated in a common law court as a non-dead corpse against a corporation that owed me money for work I did for them. The corporation did not bother to appear so the judge dismissed my case. The common law you are referring to at this point works in a very limited way and that is not by accident. It has to be set up and accessible to all people, not run by a corporate controlled flunky-judges. We must withdraw and dismantle before we can rebuild.

22 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:28 pm


This has turned into a nice read with lots of great info....thanks guys!

23 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:40 pm

Peak Crackers

The 1st rule these evil bastards Live by Might is right .. They have used force from the beginning and they will use time and time again till we stop using there method of controlling us

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world".
Mahatma Gandhi.

24 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:42 pm


I agree topspin. It's great when people share their personal stories (the triumphs as well as the failures) like you did. This is as it should be. Thanks to Skyz and the great group of people she and the mods have put together for this forum, we are on our way.

25 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:09 pm


My pleasure!!!

I want to thank ALL of you fine folks for making this an awesome place to be. Thanks for all that you share!



26 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:54 pm


I executed a "Status & Standing" pkg. in 2010, U.S. citizenship being just one of the issues denied and dealt with thereby; noticed many entity heads via notary issued fax, followed up with Co Recorder Record as exhibit to a PoA, along with ACC Default judgments on credit card and "mtg" "debt".
In lieu of revocation of Voter Reg. (becuz my hubby ran for public office & desires my participation & support in political matters, in which he is quite active), there is an allonge that can be attached to it that allows voting without the trap of U.S. citizenship, if I remember correctly. Hadn't yet done that as I didn't see a practical advantage to same.

Peak said: "... you can cash a matrix by not using it .. its really simple .. when you look at when you need and what you want . " Can U clarify what U mean by this, please?

Raven said: "... banks... still up and running and functioning just as they always did...." is how it appears now to us; imo, that is very soon to dramatically change to the people's advantage; the Foreclosure Flyers, Courtesy Notices, and Invoices are having an effect approaching "100th monkey"... imo.

"The corporation did not bother to appear so the judge dismissed my case." Common law case can ONLY be man 2 man, NO CORPS. Naming people as wrongdoer Respondent(s) is key issue, from what I now understand. Pioneering this invocation of common law courts is Karl Lentz who has docs & audios accessable @ myprivateaudio under guest speakers. ANother group also spearheading adaptation of same re: "mtg" where eft tendered for discharge was essentially refused, against both common law and banking law.

Really appreciate this insight, experience and wisdom available here, & willingness to share same. ☀

27 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:09 pm

Peak Crackers

sure , do every thing that you can to remember you are the only species on this planet that pays to live . So with out going into huge lengths do everything in know how and keep learning to live with out paying . fear and Money is the main control mechanizes . so when you think about it its mainly attachments and attractions now Ms FreeMom I have to tell you that i dont have children and i know that can be a game changer , so I am speaking only from what i have done . And keep in mind that they will use force to make people use there control as we are seeing every were . But the less People use and of the matrix ( water heat , lighting chain food stores of any type , Banks as we all know .as little car gas entertainment .The more the grip loosens. The Illusion of our need for controlled system is false in its self .Hence OPPT

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world".
Mahatma Gandhi.

28 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:33 pm


Wow, good points both from Peak and 7freemom. I'm saving this thread for future reference. Totally down with dropping all grips on the illusion and placeholders in the matrix. I also have no kids and this is indeed a huge game changer. I understand that many starseeds and lightworkers do not have kids for the reason that we can take more chances and light the way for others who cannot. I always wondered why I was born without the mommy gene and now it all makes a lot of sense as things play out in this timeline.

Way to go, 7freemom. Do you know others who have done same? I simply love love this info.! You could be very right that we are not seeing the foreclosure meltdown. I am waiting for more cracks in the facade, watching the brave people of Turkey taking it on the chin. Big news about Obama today... it's crashing and that is just perfect!

29 Re: REFUSED FOR CAUSE on Tue Jun 04, 2013 2:47 pm


THanks Peak & Raven & all here 4 adding your precious selves & perspectives to my life :)

Having chosen home birth, home education, home business, 35 years ago obtaining a restraining order against a "govt" official to stand for our rights, been practiced and well-prepared to go a different path ...

joining with others of like mind for mutual support & learning for ALL to grow is vital, imo.

"Status & Standing" pkg. obtained from Halleluyah, group headed by man who gave his life to awaken people to Truth, Justice and tools to "make it so" with a personalized mentoring program; very thankful to carry on his legacy and vision, now seemingly approaching fulfillment, imo, through the efforts of so many awakened and awakening .... ☀

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