Sat Mar 23, 2024 11:33 pm by globalturboReader hears for the first time about Monetization of Birth Certificates, has questions
Posted By: hobie [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 17-Mar-2014 23:28:51
(Thanks, J. :)
Reader J. writes, and I'll comment following - others are free to join in:
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This is the first I have heard of such a thing from someone yesterday. Can you help me understand this?? I need to start at the beginning and try to wrap my mind around this. How is there any value in a piece of paper i.e., birth cert? I really want to understand this. Also, this person told me that one of the legal definitions of the words "United States" means it is a corporation??? Can you assist me please? Thank you so much. This is quite hard to grasp as I have just been intro'd to it.
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(hobie here.) You're right, it is hard to grasp. :) I don't quite grasp the monetization of birth certificates either. But I believe it has to do with one or more occasions on which the government was bankrupt and some new rules necessarily came into play. You're aware that our currency nowadays is Federal Reserve Notes, yes? And there's no longer anything on the bills that says they can be redeemed for gold or silver? They're backed by nothing more than "the faith and credit of the United States". And we have a "debt-based fiat money system"...? Somehow the monetization of birth certificates is a key element in how all that works. Some say we are all "chattel". I don't agree with that interpretation of things, but it does in a way explain how it is we're being viewed by those ones who understand "how the game is being played".
As for the "corporation" part, it appears that Congress lawfully created a corporation to handle some of its affairs - but beginning in about 1914, officials were seated only in their corporate capacity, leaving the original jurisdiction government seats vacant ever since, with the result that today, when we think we're dealing with "the government", it's actually the corporation we're dealing with, and it plays by a different set of rules. What we're thinking of as the Constitution is not the original jurisdiction one, either - rather, it's the corporation's internal charter, which they can style most any way they'd want to.
If you'd like, J., I can post your question in the Reading Room and we can see what others might have to say about it all. Be advised, however, there are some differing and contradictory theories that are deeply held by the folks who believe them, so there will likely be some confusion that will arise from our doing that. :) Let me know if you'd like me to do that.
The good news is: That whole incomprehensible system of things may be almost at an end. I'm hopeful that we're on the verge of moving into a new system, one in which currency is metals-based and asset-backed, and the possibility that as that shift comes about, we'll be educated about everything that's been done to us so it will never happen again.
Blessings.
--hobie
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Reader J. then replied:
Wow...THANK YOU so much for your reply. I sincerely appreciate it. I am getting a better grasp on what this person told me even though I find it "mind warping"! I guess "they" are putting a value of ones total life earning capacity and then using that as collateral to obtain a loan....take one person multiplied by thousands or hundreds of thousands then I "guess" you'd be talking about some serious money.
The corporation thing is another "mind bending" experience. Do I understand that the corporation only applies to Washington DC and that small plot of ground and that the Congress and Senate "members" are a part of the corporation? If not those folks, who is/are the "officers" of the corporation....President, VPresident, etc and how far down the line do the "officers" go.....are the congress folks then "directors" of the corporation or is all of that just a sham and the votes are meaningless?
Thanks so much for your time on my behalf. And, yes, please go ahead and post my question, and if you like my questions here and let's see what we get.....sort of like going out "fishing", you never know what you will end up with.....or as with Mr. Gump and his "box of chocolates"!!
J.
Posted By: hobie [Send E-Mail]
Date: Monday, 17-Mar-2014 23:28:51
(Thanks, J. :)
Reader J. writes, and I'll comment following - others are free to join in:
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This is the first I have heard of such a thing from someone yesterday. Can you help me understand this?? I need to start at the beginning and try to wrap my mind around this. How is there any value in a piece of paper i.e., birth cert? I really want to understand this. Also, this person told me that one of the legal definitions of the words "United States" means it is a corporation??? Can you assist me please? Thank you so much. This is quite hard to grasp as I have just been intro'd to it.
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(hobie here.) You're right, it is hard to grasp. :) I don't quite grasp the monetization of birth certificates either. But I believe it has to do with one or more occasions on which the government was bankrupt and some new rules necessarily came into play. You're aware that our currency nowadays is Federal Reserve Notes, yes? And there's no longer anything on the bills that says they can be redeemed for gold or silver? They're backed by nothing more than "the faith and credit of the United States". And we have a "debt-based fiat money system"...? Somehow the monetization of birth certificates is a key element in how all that works. Some say we are all "chattel". I don't agree with that interpretation of things, but it does in a way explain how it is we're being viewed by those ones who understand "how the game is being played".
As for the "corporation" part, it appears that Congress lawfully created a corporation to handle some of its affairs - but beginning in about 1914, officials were seated only in their corporate capacity, leaving the original jurisdiction government seats vacant ever since, with the result that today, when we think we're dealing with "the government", it's actually the corporation we're dealing with, and it plays by a different set of rules. What we're thinking of as the Constitution is not the original jurisdiction one, either - rather, it's the corporation's internal charter, which they can style most any way they'd want to.
If you'd like, J., I can post your question in the Reading Room and we can see what others might have to say about it all. Be advised, however, there are some differing and contradictory theories that are deeply held by the folks who believe them, so there will likely be some confusion that will arise from our doing that. :) Let me know if you'd like me to do that.
The good news is: That whole incomprehensible system of things may be almost at an end. I'm hopeful that we're on the verge of moving into a new system, one in which currency is metals-based and asset-backed, and the possibility that as that shift comes about, we'll be educated about everything that's been done to us so it will never happen again.
Blessings.
--hobie
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Reader J. then replied:
Wow...THANK YOU so much for your reply. I sincerely appreciate it. I am getting a better grasp on what this person told me even though I find it "mind warping"! I guess "they" are putting a value of ones total life earning capacity and then using that as collateral to obtain a loan....take one person multiplied by thousands or hundreds of thousands then I "guess" you'd be talking about some serious money.
The corporation thing is another "mind bending" experience. Do I understand that the corporation only applies to Washington DC and that small plot of ground and that the Congress and Senate "members" are a part of the corporation? If not those folks, who is/are the "officers" of the corporation....President, VPresident, etc and how far down the line do the "officers" go.....are the congress folks then "directors" of the corporation or is all of that just a sham and the votes are meaningless?
Thanks so much for your time on my behalf. And, yes, please go ahead and post my question, and if you like my questions here and let's see what we get.....sort of like going out "fishing", you never know what you will end up with.....or as with Mr. Gump and his "box of chocolates"!!
J.
