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Posted on September 28, 2015 by arnierosnerOn Sep 28, 2015, at 3:24 AM, Anna von Reitz
The first 52 pages speak for themselves. Anyone capable of independent thought and the ability to think for themselves will come to the same or similar conclusion. The first 52 pages are based upon conjecture and notions. They are clever imaginative thoughts to conjure up something to justify religious visions constant with the lies and distortions you are so good at promoting.
The real facts in which I believe have been provided me directly from the creator. He has taught me I do not need any third parties like you, the Pope, the political leaders, Hollywood actors, religious leaders or anyone I do not chose…to influence my thinking processes.
You have especially proved yourself to me to be untrustworthy. First you ingratiate yourself with good gestures…so you can influence me surreptitiously while my guard is down… After building a trustworthy relationship, you took advantage of the trust. Sorry that is not the mark of any kind of integrity that I respect.
Okay, the first two paragraphs are just attempts to discredit me personally, without any real facts. It all comes across like a teenage girl talking about her “feelings”— there’s no actual content to reply to. The third paragraph gets into downright lying. I didn’t come to you, “ingratiating”myself or otherwise— you came to me with questions and I answered. And then there is this vague accusation that I took advantage of your “trust”—- but again, not a single factual reference. No specific concrete example of anything. Though the record shows that you have abused my copyright and have slandered me with no apparent cause or facts to back you up…..ummm…..looks like you are the Alinsky Follower on this page, Arnie, accusing me of what you have done yourself.
Based on my own thought processes I have deduced there is no global estate. You already admitted the pope is no different than any other person. But the same is also true of the “history,” to which you refer. History has become so distorted and manipulated it has no integrity. It has been reduced to hearsay. When a man like Constantine can alter an entire religion, based on his personal agenda, I fail to respect the integrity of the process. When Henry the eight, alter a religion so he could take another wife, that would be two for two.
I guess the Pentagon and United Nations and Fleet Street aren’t real enough for you, the actual parchment Constitution isn’t real enough for you, either, but it all sure came down on Thomas Deegan’s head like a house on fire when he stepped over the line of his reality into their reality. I’ve dug my version of history out of the public records, legislative acts, etc. Instead of bringing any actual fact forward — like contending that the Treaty of Ghent is a phony or that Abraham Lincoln wasn’t elected in 1860 or some other specific challenge to the evidence I’ve presented, you’re just pulling some “Sour Grapes”. —–“Oh, Bwaahh! George Washington didn’t really chop down a cherry tree! I am SO disillusioned! I won’t believe in anything anymore!” Then there’s you griping about Constantine and Henry the VIII….well, after the rest of this I expected you to claim that they didn’t exist, either, not really— but instead, you infer that the whole Catholic Church is tainted by the sins and shortcomings of these two men and there’s just no way to go on after such indiscretions. Again, sounds more like a teenage girl’s lament over the loss of her over-rated virginity, “Oh, my! I am doomed! Spoiled! I can never be pure again!” Put a sock on it Rosner. Anyone past the age of 21 knows that human institutions are made of humans. They also know that every other church and institution has its share of sinners, too.
I have also come to understand as the people and the supreme and ultimate authority, we are not bound by history. we may refer to it but there are no bindings that hold we the people to the past. An exception might be that we choose to be bound based upon tradition or some other logical and reasonable reason. But we would have to give our consent.
It’s true we are not bound to history— but we can’t ignore it and we can’t rewrite it except at our peril. My delving into the past is to shed light on the present. No other reason. As for “consent” that’s a bit over-rated, too. We didn’t give our consent to be born into this world that I know of, and most of us don’t give our consent as to when we leave it, either. Nobody I know consented to being an American or a Frenchman. We didn’t consent to the Articles of Confederation, The Constitution for the united States of America, the New York Stock Exchange, the United Nations Charter or damned near anything else that created the box we are in—so I guess you can put a sock on the idea that we consented our way into this situation, too– and I think most people would agree that it’s only in the negative—- what we won’t consent to any longer—that the word has ever had true meaning.
So your contentions might float on your word to the dumb, ignorant, stupid people willing to accept your word…but that does not include this old, dumb, stupid man who knows nothing. However, that being true…you know even less.
Let’s see…. WHEN exactly did I ever ask anyone to “accept my word” for anything? EVER? Gee, I seem to recall telling you REPEATEDLY that I am NOT here to prove anything to anyone? That it is my part to present the information and the sources where people can look things up for themselves? Yes, that is what I have told you and everyone else since Day One, so again, more myopic, immature nonsense from someone who claims to be an “old man”. Let’s see a picture of Arnie Rosner and confirm that you have an excuse for your constant memory lapses?
Based on that Anna, unless you were there personally and have personal knowledge of the events you describe I can only express my disappointment in your integrity and moral character. But then you keep proving my lack of need to trust you further.
No historians I know of who deal with the past going back beyond their lifetimes have “first hand knowledge” of anything. That doesn’t make them incompetent, liars, or bad people, which is what you are trying so hard to sell here. We, like everyone else, have had to rely on recorded evidence–public and private records, treaties, legislative acts, letters, etc. This isn’t perfect evidence for a court of law, but it is all there is. And learning what it says about the world we inherited sure beats the hell out of being a clueless idiot.
Here is an example you are asking me to believe…
[size=48]And where was the consent of the governed given?[/size]
[size=32]I never asked you or anyone else to “believe” anything.[/size]
[size=32]I have presented verifiable facts and the timeline associated with them, complete with references. You are expected to read them for yourself and come to your own conclusions. Period. If anyone needs more references, my earlier book, Non-Disclosure 101, has thirteen pages of nothing but references. See the paragraph above beginning, “Let’s see….” and try to recall the last ten times I have disabused you of your assumption that anyone here is trying to make you accept, believe, or consent to ANYTHING. [/size]
I strongly suggest anyone who feels they have a stake in the truth verify for themselves whether or not you have cooked the books in the first 52 pages.
The Trust – the other story
I just looked at your first “reason” for your claims that we are lying and distorting the truth, etc., and found that you were apparently unable to distinguish between the documented historical facts being presented and someone’s opinion. When challenged to provide evidence that anything we said on pages 13 and 14 of our affidavit wasn’t accurate or didn’t happen you fell silent. Not a scrap of evidence to disprove a single fact we asserted. No proof that Pope Boniface VIII didn’t exist. No proof that he didn’t declare himself the trustee of the world. No proof that the Unam Sanctum Trust documents weren’t created and issued. No proof that the Holy See failed to act upon those directives. No proof that the subsequent Testamentary Trusts created by other Popes don’t exist. No proof that those trusts were not acted upon. No proof at all—not even a single bit of evidence—-supporting your contention that we lied about or distorted a single thing.
As I have time, I will look at all your other “reasons”. And I’ll reply one by one and post them.
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:18 AM, Anna von Reitz [ltr]<[email=avannavon@gmail.com][ltr]avannavon@gmail.com[/ltr][/email]>[/ltr] wrote:
[size=32]PS— the first attachment is another example of your bizarre attempt to twist historical FACTS into political arguments. What happened in the 1700’s happened whether you like it or not. When people get a load of what you are trying to pull off, you are going to be completely discredited.[/size]
On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 1:09 AM, Anna von Reitz [ltr]<[email=avannavon@gmail.com][ltr]avannavon@gmail.com[/ltr][/email]>[/ltr] wrote:
And despite what you say, Arnie, your actions show either complete illogic and inability to read what is printed on a page, or a different and distinctly UN-patriotic agenda.
When I get done dissecting your stated reasons for suggesting that we “lied” and “distorted facts”, etc., it is going to be painfully apparent who the dingbat without a fact to his name is.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 11:38 PM, ARNIE ROSNER [ltr]<[email=arnie@arnierosner.com][ltr]arnie@arnierosner.com[/ltr][/email]>[/ltr] wrote:
Look Anna,
You provided great information. But regardless of what you say…with your lips…your hands tell a different story.
The Quigley Formula – G. Edward Griffin
The first 52 pages speak for themselves. Anyone capable of independent thought and the ability to think for themselves will come to the same or similar conclusion. The first 52 pages are based upon conjecture and notions. They are clever imaginative thoughts to conjure up something to justify religious visions constant with the lies and distortions you are so good at promoting.
The real facts in which I believe have been provided me directly from the creator. He has taught me I do not need any third parties like you, the Pope, the political leaders, Hollywood actors, religious leaders or anyone I do not chose…to influence my thinking processes.
You have especially proved yourself to me to be untrustworthy. First you ingratiate yourself with good gestures…so you can influence me surreptitiously while my guard is down… After building a trustworthy relationship, you took advantage of the trust. Sorry that is not the mark of any kind of integrity that I respect.
Based on my own thought processes I have deduced there is no global estate. You already admitted the pope is no different than any other person. But the same is also true of the “history,” to which you refer. History has become so distorted and manipulated it has no integrity. It has been reduced to hearsay. When a man like Constantine can alter an entire religion, based on his personal agenda, I fail to respect the integrity of the process. When Henry the eight, alter a religion so he could take another wife, that would be two for two.
I have also come to understand as the people and the supreme and ultimate authority, we are not bound by history. we may refer to it but there are no bindings that hold we the people to the past. An exception might be that we choose to be bound based upon tradition or some other logical and reasonable reason. But we would have to give our consent.
So your contentions might float on your word to the dumb, ignorant, stupid people willing to accept your word…but that does not include this old, dumb, stupid man who knows nothing. However, that being true…you know even less.
Based on that Anna, unless you were there personally and have personal knowledge of the events you describe I can only express my disappointment in your integrity and moral character. But then you keep proving my lack of need to trust you further.
Here is an example you are asking me to believe…
[size=48]And where was the consent of the governed given?[/size]
I strongly suggest anyone who feels they have a stake in the truth verify for themselves whether or not you have cooked the books in the first 52 pages.
The Trust – the other story
Thank you again for the opportunity to blow holes in your attempts to convince people that we must still play in the de facto sandbox. You see it is only one more state production. When the people decide to pull down the curtain, then they will realize it was never there in the first place.
Remember, in the final act of the Phantom of the Opera…the only remnant left was…
arnie
“You only think you know!“
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On Sep 28, 2015, at 12:00 AM, Anna von Reitz
It may not have occurred to you, but the comic book is HISTORY. It’s not opinion. It’s not propaganda for or against anything. It is FACT. If you think that there is anything factually wrong with our presentation in the first 52 pages or anywhere else in the text, there is an open invitation to prove it. As we said on page 6, we are just mammals here, trying our best. Bring your information forward and if you are right, we will be more than happy to amend the affidavit.
Nobody asked us— either one of us— to agree with past history, but what we are all facing now is the result of history and a lot of it is history nobody taught us. That wasn’t an accident. We weren’t taught this stuff on purpose. We weren’t told the truth, so we couldn’t do anything about it. Like the “social contract” imposed on us as babies, years before we could know anything about contracts. Even our Mothers weren’t informed a word about what these bastards were doing.
Now we know what they were doing, how the put this fraud in place, how they have benefited from it at our expense—- and there is only one way that we have been able to dope it out—- the study of history, public records, and law.
Everything we have explained comes from factual evidence: How we got here. How these institutions came to exist. What they are. How THEY interpreted reality. How they function. Who controls them. How these things are structured. How that affected the world our ancestors lived in. What our Forefathers actually did and agreed to. What the results are for us. And so on.
It’s not a matter of “consent” to history— it is a matter of what is, what exists, what we have to deal with on a daily basis. And we have to know that before anything whatsoever can be done to change it. It’s knowledge of what a problem is that leads to solutions. Cutting out half the problem because it scares us or offends our ideals doesn’t do anything but obstruct useful dialogue and practical action to fix it.
We can’t hide our heads in the sand and pretend that the Global Estate Trust doesn’t exist. It does. And it controls a lot of what goes on in this world, like it or not. You can’t say, oh, no, no, no, this doesn’t apply to me! — Sorry, the Constitution is what the Founders agreed to. Changing that is possible, but requires work— a lot of work. And a lot of education of a lot of people.
So stop blaming the messengers—- or more to the point, the historians. Stop imagining that past history has to be some evil plot. And stop thinking that we can change it by ignoring it. If that worked, we wouldn’t be here now.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 9:04 PM, ARNIE ROSNER [ltr]<[email=arnie@arnierosner.com][ltr]arnie@arnierosner.com[/ltr][/email]>[/ltr] wrote:
We the People: Shall we re-establish the conditions of employment by which we delegate our authority to our employees?
Judge Anna…
By your personal comments to be listed below…your loyalty to the wrong cause is showing…
Just as in your attempts to misguide the people as demonstrated…[size=36]here[/size]
You continue to attempt to misdirect and confuse the people from exercising their “free will” and their lawful and rightful decision as to what path they will decide for our society to take.
You comments below are very revealing:
Saul and Valerie would be so proud of you.
Judge Anna said to Arnie…
You truly ARE in the Land of Oz, and this is not about Kansas geography. There’s no point in talking about what should be. We all know what should be. And we all know what isn’t.
Instead, the real discussion is about getting back to Kansas. With or without a hot air balloon.
Sidebar:
Notice the suggestion: “There’s no point in talking about what should be. We all know what should be. And we all know what isn’t.”
Exactly…Judge Anna constantly encourages people to accept our fate and deal with the reality the NWO has created for us. Not the reality we the people should be choosing. Are you folks taking this all in?
Your reference to Kansas is however, very appropriate. The fairytale to which you refer has nothing to do with Dorothy and Toto. It deals with the
Phantom of the Corporation.
Which proves none of what you continue to promote even lawfully exists. When you know the truth, it is a crime not to report it to the lawful authorities. (Misprision of felony). Trouble is..there are no lawful authorities…as evidenced here. But even worse…your affidavit (Page 31) not only proves you know of the crimes,
but you continue to perpetuate the acceptance of fraud by which it was all created (Page 13). And more complete examples here. And you tell us it is OK cause everyone does it…
The decisions of what kind of a society in which the people choose to live is theirs. We the people need no one to tell us how or what to think on this matter. That would include the Pope, you, me or anyone else.
As an American sovereign, I believe it is my responsibility and obligation to provide the best version of the truth of which we are capable. You did a great job in partly revealing the truth but took advantage of the opportunity to fill the first 52 pages with your own propaganda. Here.
I disagree with your effort and called you on it. But it is only for the people to decide what they believe and what decisions to make. My role is simply to provide them with the opportunity to see a different view.
You got questions? I got answers. If you ask the question be prepared to hear the answer. It is your decision to accept or reject my response.
arnie
“You only think you know!“
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On Sep 27, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Anna von Reitz
Arnie— they aren’t working under any version of “Constitution of the United States of America“. They are working under “a” constitution called the “Constitution of the United States”. See the difference?
Don’t believe it? Look up their “Oath of Office”. There isn’t a word about “United States of America”—– just “United States”.
And so far as I can tell, they are running everything out of private corporate treasuries, too, mostly HSS “pass through” accounts tied to money markets and Block Grants. HSS is a family business run out of Austin, Texas.
You truly ARE in the Land of Oz, and this is not about Kansas geography. There’s no point in talking about what should be. We all know what should be. And we all know what isn’t.
Instead, the real discussion is about getting back to Kansas. With or without a hot air balloon.
On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 3:06 PM, ARNIE ROSNER [ltr]<[email=arnie@arnierosner.com][ltr]arnie@arnierosner.com[/ltr][/email]>[/ltr] wrote:
Dear Fellow Americans:
My ignorance and incompetence renders me unqualified to comment on the following matter. So I would like to call on you as expert Americans, to provide your views and input as to the importance and the significance of the following:
Below please find the Enumerated Powers as specified by the Constitution of the united States of America at the following link: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei
For the purpose of encouraging discussion, liberties have been taken to number them. They are in the order as presented at the listed URL. The respective position has no bearing on the importance of one item over another.
The purpose of this message is to elicit your own personal views on how these basic 18 items, which exclusively define and restrict the responsibilities and the specific duties of the lawful representatives of Congress, are being honored and obeyed as of today, 2015-09-27.
In expressing your opinions on this matter, please consider and comment on exactly how you see these enumerated powers apply to what has been described as the terms of the “employment contract,” to which each respective Congressional delegate agrees to faithfully discharge and with which he swears to comply, in order to accept this job assignment.
Further…as a condition of employment this agreement is consummated and confirmed when the oath taker accepts payment of any kind or denomination from the public treasury.
The details of the job description:
- The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
- To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
- To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;
- To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;
- To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;
- To provide for the punishment of counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States;
- To establish post offices and post roads;
- To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;
- To constitute tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
- To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
- To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;
- To raise and support armies, but no appropriation of money to that use shall be for a longer term than two years;
- To provide and maintain a navy;
- To make rules for the government and regulation of the land and naval forces;
- To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
- To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
- To exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten miles square) as may, by cession of particular states, and the acceptance of Congress, become the seat of the government of the United States, and to exercise like authority over all places purchased by the consent of the legislature of the state in which the same shall be, for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings;–And
- To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SIMPLY RESPOND TO THIS MESSAGE AND AS POSSIBLE…ALL DATA COLLECTED WILL BE DISPLAYED FOR PUBLIC VIEW.
Do not include any information in your responses you do not wish made public.
As one American sovereign to another…Thank you in advance for your participation.
Impostors not included in participating.
arnie
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